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Aug 26, 2008 at 02:11 PM CDT
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Play SC4 With Offbeat Ninja and Mystik on Xbox LIVE
Posted by: MarkDolven
This Friday night, you can take on Offbeat Ninja and Mystik, the Dead or Alive 4 superstars of the Carolina Core, in Soul Calibur 4 over XBOX Live. In this special Play The Pros promotion, all you have to do is befriend them over XBOX Live and you’ll be able to get in some games with them. These two professional gamers were instrumental in helping the Core win their first North American championship in June. The action will begin right at 9:00 PM EST, so if you want to get in some games, you better jump on from the beginning. There is sure to be many fans trying to play with them, so get there early!
Offbeat and Mystik have proven themselves as one of top fighting duos in the league
Who: Offbeat Ninja & Mystik
When: Friday, August 29th from 9:00 PM EST to 12:00 AM EST
What: Soul Calibur 4
Where: on Xbox® LIVE
Gamer Tags: "CGS Offbeat" & "CGS Mystik"
To play with Ryan or Kat during this time, all you have to do is send their Gamer Tag a friend request or game request. They will do their best to play with everyone, so if you want to take a shot at these two professional gamers, now is your chance!
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About Offbeat Ninja
Ryan "Offbeat Ninja" Ward
Age: 20
Hometown: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Game: Dead or Alive 4
Ryan was the first ever draft pick for the Carolina Core and has since become one of the most decorated players in the sport. In 2007, he was the top North American Dead or Alive male player and carried an incredible 15-match win streak through the season and playoffs. He also won a special challenge match against the top female player, Vanessa, that was set forth by the Dead or Alive 4 creator himself, Tomonobu Itagaki. In 2008, his late season surge helped the Core take home the North America Championship. In the final match, his dominant victory put the Core over the top and secured their first Mountain Dew trophy.
Offbeat won the Itagaki Challenge in 2007 with a victory over Vanessa
About Mystik
Kat "Mystik" Gunn
Age: 20
Hometown: Quartz Hill, California
Game: Dead or Alive 4
Kat Gunn burst onto the gaming scene in 2007 when she placed second in Dead or Alive 4 at the first CGS combine. She was subsequently drafted onto the Carolina Core and didn't fail to impress. In that year’s World Final, Gunn dominated her international opponents to help the team take second place in the World and a $150,000 payday. Her strong play in the 2008 season, including a perfect 5-0 victory over Coolsvilla of the top-seeded New York 3D team, was instrumental in the Carolina Core's miracle North America Championship run. In her two years in the CGS, Kat has never lost to an international opponent.
Mystik stepped up her play to win the 2008 CGS Combine
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DrDogg
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gypsy
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I think my beloved Senor Dogginator is coming off a little too harsh here. This is an Xbox Live event, and people can play against CGS pros. Kind of like all those events where random celebrities and audience members get to play Guitar Hero against Fatal1ty, or celebrity golf tournaments of all stripes. Offbeat and Mystik may not pwn every poor sucker in America on SCIV, but that doesn't make them any less "pro" at their careers.
Just because someone attains the ultimate skill level in a game does not mean they need to excel in everything... then again, as you said, you haven't played either of them, so they could totally surprise you.
I think you should sign up and see how you fare.
Go ahead and use a fake alias... I won't tell anyone. ;-)
Just because someone attains the ultimate skill level in a game does not mean they need to excel in everything... then again, as you said, you haven't played either of them, so they could totally surprise you.
I think you should sign up and see how you fare.
Go ahead and use a fake alias... I won't tell anyone. ;-)
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I've seen plenty of TV events where sports celebrities try their hand at something outside their area of expertise for the sake of publicity. Seems to work out fine.
crunchtime
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Bry,
I see where you're coming from, it's something to think about. Playing devil's advocate though, lets say hypothetically they do beat them and lets assume most people who come to play want a taste of what the league competition is like ... if they happen to win, on the positive flip of the coin maybe they wont take the league as a complete joke (since there is real money involved) and they might think they have a chance at making it in and making some real money at what they love, bringing MORE publicity and possible draftees. Just a thought...its the nature of the business for better and stronger players to come out of the woodwork and into the combines, which I would assume is the idea and the desire of The CGS.
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I see where you're coming from, it's something to think about. Playing devil's advocate though, lets say hypothetically they do beat them and lets assume most people who come to play want a taste of what the league competition is like ... if they happen to win, on the positive flip of the coin maybe they wont take the league as a complete joke (since there is real money involved) and they might think they have a chance at making it in and making some real money at what they love, bringing MORE publicity and possible draftees. Just a thought...its the nature of the business for better and stronger players to come out of the woodwork and into the combines, which I would assume is the idea and the desire of The CGS.
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R1R-Phantom
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omg what if t3h lose?
wtf man, we get it
it is what it is
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wtf man, we get it
it is what it is
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Berzerk
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I'm not sure this is sending the right message, I see what DrDogg is getting at.
Its different from playing celebrities who are known for something completely different outside gaming - the fact that those people are playing games at all is the novelty.
The difference here is people see PRO GAMER and will expect the best of the best when they play them. I know Ryan and Kat are awesome gamers and I'm sure have been practicing up their SC4, but their game is DOA, and this does not help the DOA community. SC4 with its star wars tie-ins probably doesn't need the promo assistance and the last play with the pros was popular, so why not stick with the game they've made their names in?
Seems to be sending mixed messages. It would actually make more sense to play them in FORZA (And play Phantom and General E in DOA) for the fun factor and the PR would be to try their hands at a completely different type of game - then you'd have that novelty aspect.
Being another fighting game, keeps it in the "pro" dynamic, and also raises expectations for SC4 in the CGS which seems premature.
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Its different from playing celebrities who are known for something completely different outside gaming - the fact that those people are playing games at all is the novelty.
The difference here is people see PRO GAMER and will expect the best of the best when they play them. I know Ryan and Kat are awesome gamers and I'm sure have been practicing up their SC4, but their game is DOA, and this does not help the DOA community. SC4 with its star wars tie-ins probably doesn't need the promo assistance and the last play with the pros was popular, so why not stick with the game they've made their names in?
Seems to be sending mixed messages. It would actually make more sense to play them in FORZA (And play Phantom and General E in DOA) for the fun factor and the PR would be to try their hands at a completely different type of game - then you'd have that novelty aspect.
Being another fighting game, keeps it in the "pro" dynamic, and also raises expectations for SC4 in the CGS which seems premature.
Berzerk! - DOA Male - Sydney Underground - http://sydneyunderground.thecgs.com
crunchtime
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You could say the same about complexity not doing so well with 1.6 or source teams playing CEVO, Forza players not being the fastest on the Forza site. They are still going to do it whether they do well or not. I think we are all looking wayy too into an event that is supposed to be community oriented and -shouldnt- have an adverse effect on the idea of The CGS.
These are very valid perceptions though! I would assume The CGS would not let it happen if it was going to be detrimental to the league.
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I wanna play with Ryan! n___n
DrDogg
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Berzerk is the only one that really understood what I was trying to say. I tried to make it crystal clear that I wasn't coming at anyone trying to say Ryan or Kat aren't good or aren't pro or anything negative toward them at all (I said it three times, maybe four will get the point across).
My point is that when I see a Fatal1ty Shootout, he isn't playing a game he could possibly lose at. If he's playing football, no one really cares if he loses, he's a gamer, not a pro sports player. If I see Fatal1ty in a shootout for Tekken, you better believe I'm going to bring my A game and try my hardest to own the world champion.
I don't care if he's never played Tekken in his life, if I beat him, I'm going to question what makes him pro. I'm going to question the entity that dubbed him pro and I'm going to consider it a joke every time I see his name. Xbox.com is hyping this up as Play the Pros. The point is not to play a celebrity, but to play someone who's supposed to own you. And if I were to play SC4 with Ryan or Kat as an unknown to the CGS, I would expect them to beat me, not the other way around.
I wouldn't attempt to get into any more PtP sessions. I wouldn't look into CGS. I'd immediately consider the whole thing pretty pointless.
AGAIN!!!! I'm not questions Ryan or Kat's skill in SC4. ***they are not supposed to be good because it's not DOA4*** If they own up on everyone, great. But what if they play some talent SC players, or some lag abusers and lose... repeatedly? People talk enough trash when they get rounds on the top players. Beating one in a big event like this? I just don't see it generally positive feedback.
Are Berzerk and I the only people who see this point of view?
My point is that when I see a Fatal1ty Shootout, he isn't playing a game he could possibly lose at. If he's playing football, no one really cares if he loses, he's a gamer, not a pro sports player. If I see Fatal1ty in a shootout for Tekken, you better believe I'm going to bring my A game and try my hardest to own the world champion.
I don't care if he's never played Tekken in his life, if I beat him, I'm going to question what makes him pro. I'm going to question the entity that dubbed him pro and I'm going to consider it a joke every time I see his name. Xbox.com is hyping this up as Play the Pros. The point is not to play a celebrity, but to play someone who's supposed to own you. And if I were to play SC4 with Ryan or Kat as an unknown to the CGS, I would expect them to beat me, not the other way around.
I wouldn't attempt to get into any more PtP sessions. I wouldn't look into CGS. I'd immediately consider the whole thing pretty pointless.
AGAIN!!!! I'm not questions Ryan or Kat's skill in SC4. ***they are not supposed to be good because it's not DOA4*** If they own up on everyone, great. But what if they play some talent SC players, or some lag abusers and lose... repeatedly? People talk enough trash when they get rounds on the top players. Beating one in a big event like this? I just don't see it generally positive feedback.
Are Berzerk and I the only people who see this point of view?
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I agree with what you are saying doc. 100% in agreement.
I would comment but you basically said everything I wanted to say.
I would comment but you basically said everything I wanted to say.
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I don't think it would give CGS a bad name. It is fun for the fans. I'd love to beat down offbeat on a game he's not good at 
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They're just going to find the trashiest players they can to throw at these scrubs. If cgs is seriously pushing sc4 then there's plenty of people out there already who are better.
The end.
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My first thought was "Is this a transition test?" and I see what the Dr says but I'll wait and see how it turns out.
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Referenced post #12 by ComeBackDan
I don't think it would give CGS a bad name. It is fun for the fans. I'd love to beat down offbeat on a game he's not good at .I'm not talking about the fans. The fans already know these two play DOA and play it well. But this is being advertised on Xbox.com and the dashboard. There are going to be a lot of good SC players who know nothing of the CGS who will try to get in on this and test themselves against the pros.
Those are the people who will potentially come out of this with negative things to say about the CGS, Ryan/Kat and maybe even Xbox.com or DOA4.
My first thought was "Is this a transition test?" and I see what the Dr says but I'll wait and see how it turns out.
#14It could be a transitional thing, but it depends who's idea it was to use SC4 instead of DOA4. If it was the CGS's idea, then I'd think your assumptions are correct. But it wouldn't surprise me if Xbox.com preferred SC4 over DOA4 given the recent release of SC4.
EDIT: Is that Undercover Brother in your avatar?
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[quote|12]
I'm not talking about the fans. The fans already know these two play DOA and play it well. But this is being advertised on Xbox.com and the dashboard. There are going to be a lot of good SC players who know nothing of the CGS who will try to get in on this and test themselves against the pros.
Those are the people who will potentially come out of this with negative things to say about the CGS, Ryan/Kat and maybe even Xbox.com or DOA4.
[quote|14]
It could be a transiti...onal thing, but it depends who's idea it was to use SC4 instead of DOA4. If it was the CGS's idea, then I'd think your assumptions are correct. But it wouldn't surprise me if Xbox.com preferred SC4 over DOA4 given the recent release of SC4.
EDIT: Is that Undercover Brother in your avatar?
#15I'm not talking about the fans. The fans already know these two play DOA and play it well. But this is being advertised on Xbox.com and the dashboard. There are going to be a lot of good SC players who know nothing of the CGS who will try to get in on this and test themselves against the pros.
Those are the people who will potentially come out of this with negative things to say about the CGS, Ryan/Kat and maybe even Xbox.com or DOA4.
[quote|14]
It could be a transiti...onal thing, but it depends who's idea it was to use SC4 instead of DOA4. If it was the CGS's idea, then I'd think your assumptions are correct. But it wouldn't surprise me if Xbox.com preferred SC4 over DOA4 given the recent release of SC4.
EDIT: Is that Undercover Brother in your avatar?
Oh, I see what you're saying. I guess we'll have to see what happens.
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#15
yeah wouldnt be surprised myself that xbox.com would do that and yeah it is Undercover Brother epic film.
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yeah wouldnt be surprised myself that xbox.com would do that and yeah it is Undercover Brother
epic film.
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I'm still not convinced it's an issue, personally.
I see DrDogg's point about SC4 being in the same genre, but I don't get the Fatal1ty/Tekken argument at all. It's like saying that if someone beats Tiger Woods at basketball, they're going to dismiss professional sportsmen altogether. After all, they just beat one at a sport, right?
I do see the issue: I just think it relies on all the participants to represent the most immature of humanity. On the flipside, this is the internet. But, if you take a look at the CGS forums, there's already enough people signing up to talk trash about the league. I don't see this event making much of a difference.
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I see DrDogg's point about SC4 being in the same genre, but I don't get the Fatal1ty/Tekken argument at all. It's like saying that if someone beats Tiger Woods at basketball, they're going to dismiss professional sportsmen altogether. After all, they just beat one at a sport, right?
I do see the issue: I just think it relies on all the participants to represent the most immature of humanity. On the flipside, this is the internet. But, if you take a look at the CGS forums, there's already enough people signing up to talk trash about the league. I don't see this event making much of a difference.
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I think the other thing to add is that whether DOA4 or SC4 or some other game is chosen for CGS next year, the fact is DOA4 is the game of 2008 and Offbeat and Mystik are DOA players. They should not be asked in a professional promotion, to promote another game and take players from their core community. This is no swipe at SC4 but its a mismatch to promote it this way, being the flavour fighting game due to its recent release I understand the attraction but really its better to get unrelated celebrities to play this one for a laugh.
So to be clear its sending mixed messages not necessarily because it says bad things about the CGS itself but doesn't represent what the pro players are about.
They're not playing the game they're pro at, and in reality, we have not established the names of the players or the league in the minds of mainstream gaming community. This means the novelty of them playing a different game will be lost on everyone.
Like I said it's different to say "play the fighting pros at racing" which is a novelty. This is play the fighting pros in a fighting game.... but it isn't their game. It should be DOA for this promo and SC when you have relevant SC pros to promote. This doesn't help anyone's credentials. I'm sure it will be fun and there would be good participation but how confusing will it be for those people checking out CGS after this to find its a different set of games they should be practicing?
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Berzerk! - DOA Male - Sydney Underground - http://sydneyunderground.thecgs.com
So to be clear its sending mixed messages not necessarily because it says bad things about the CGS itself but doesn't represent what the pro players are about.
They're not playing the game they're pro at, and in reality, we have not established the names of the players or the league in the minds of mainstream gaming community. This means the novelty of them playing a different game will be lost on everyone.
Like I said it's different to say "play the fighting pros at racing" which is a novelty. This is play the fighting pros in a fighting game.... but it isn't their game. It should be DOA for this promo and SC when you have relevant SC pros to promote. This doesn't help anyone's credentials. I'm sure it will be fun and there would be good participation but how confusing will it be for those people checking out CGS after this to find its a different set of games they should be practicing?
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Ha, if you changed the game over to SC4, every last one of the DOA stubs would be retired from "professional gaming," which isn't so much of a joke as the fact that it's freaking garbage DOA as the fighting game chosen by CGS year after year.
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nice but should use the pro game that is in cgs doa4
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It definitely said "Carolina Cure" on the dashboard. Yeah.
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That is the most rediculous crap I've ever seen. If Offbeat or Mystik lose badly it's because of lack of inexperience in the game, not because they are DOA players. I'm sure they both would destroy any of them in DOA4 given the same amount of experience. People can be so closed minded and quick to jump to conclusions about things they are (most of the time blindly) biased about.
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What did I say?
#23What did I say?
After reading through the entire thread... yes, there are some scoffing at the event, but there's more people there with positive things to say. If anything, it's the opposite of what you predicted.
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I haven't played either of them in SC4 so I don't know their skill level, but considering the amount of time they've had with the game and their level of play in SC before SC4 released, it's not out of the question for them to lose... a lot.
Wouldn't that put a bad name on CGS, the Play with the Pros events and pro gaming in general?
Again, I'm not trying to call them out, or talk trash or anything like that. SC4 isn't the game they're pro in. But if I was a casual and played and beat these two, I'd look at it as a joke that a casual player beat "pro" players. Xbox.com makes it pretty clear that they play DOA as opposed to SC (which might even make things worse), but it just seems like it's asking for negative publicity.
Am I alone in thinking this?
:: Again, I'm not trying to dis on anyone. I'm raising what I think is a valid point. ::